Toshio Maeda Interview Part 4Posted: October 8, 2011
Toshio Maeda Interview part 4
Inkfetish: Do you update your site daily?
Toshio: Yeah, we update daily with a photo yeah mmm (see Toshio’s photos here)
David Sausage: You were reading a lot of books when you were younger,, do you still read a lot of books now?
Toshio: Errr … Now I tend to read a lot of books in English because I have already read a lot of books in Japanese.
David Sausage: Who’s your favourite Japanese author?
Toshio: Probably you know Natsume Soseki. So many times I have read the same book. You know when you get older… Your angle changes because you get mature. So I read it again and again and again.
David Sausage: Hmmm it’s almost like books have a life of their own the books are like people. They seem to change when you come back to them.
Toshio: They change… The content of them changes. It all depends on YOU!
David Sausage: It’s not what you’re taking it’s what your giving.
(Everyone is munching snacks)
David Sausage: What do you think about the porn industry here in Japan? It’s very visible everywhere you go…
Toshio: It’s the same as everywhere, as London and America.
David Sausage: Yeah but even in London if you wanted to go to a sex shop the windows might be blacked out or covered. You might have a curtain to hide customers like the love hotels do here to hide car number plates.
Toshio: Is that right?
David Sausage: Things are put in brown paper bags it’s all very discreet. This kind of thing… If you walked around with this kind of thing…
Toshio: Well err.. How about on the website?
David Sausage: Well of course because, that’s private that’s in people’s house. People are very private about sex.
Toshio: Yeah yeah, your country… No sex actually!
David Sausage: I think that’s a bit rich coming from Japan! Japan is very sexual in it’s nature, but in terms of the amount of sex people are having here, Japan ranks very low.
Inkfetish: Yeah I heard the government are trying to encourage more people to have sex.
David Sausage: Yeah well, the birth rate is very low…
David Sausage: People aren’t having sex,, well actually, people are having sex in love hotels…
Toshio: Well you know the average couple have a shag once a month, or two months, I guess.
Inkfetish: Once… a… month?
Toshio: Every month.
Toshio: Yeah , you know including the married couple. It’s like you know, we are the Nymphomaniac, but we are not…
David Sausage: But why is that? Because it’s more open and more visual, you can see it in public places, in Shinjuku and Shibuya, you can walk outside and see thi…
Toshio: You know, we have history from Edo era. You know that, from that era there were so many printed materials, you know, filthy art, we saw it. So it’s nothing for us. And then when you are really into a, how can I say? Such websites or cybersex you are really hooked up. You tend to lose your real interest in…
David sausage …the world?
Inkfetish: …real sex?
Toshio: …real lady. Reality. Why? Probably we like a… the idea…
Inkfetish: yeah yeah I think that’s true. That’s the problem with Japan.
Toshio: … Of a cyberlady because they are flawless and they aren’t nagging. You know, Bitching out, they don’t complain right?
Toshio: And you know, the men really like that. It’s better to wank off then deal with a nasty…
David Sausage: …human.
Toshio: After you have had that several times you tend to lose interest. Not as a human but as a sexual animal right?
David Sausage: Yeah.
Toshio: Right? So we men are just like that. Ladies don’t understand our sex drive.
Inkfetish: No, it’s true.
David Sausage: They don’t do they? Well, it’s like you said earlier. You’ve written,
David Sausage: You’ve written erotic stories for women and they’re asking for details in these kinds of things. What is it women want from…
Toshio: You should read Nancy Friday. You know, Woman on Top, the author of that? Secret Garden or Forbidden Fruit, she wrote that. So, you know how promiscuous they are in all this.. Hehehehee haa haha! It is about the nasty fantasy they have.
David Sausage: Hmm maybe I don’t wanna read that!
Inkfetish: I think women think about sex as much as men.
Toshio: Hmm but they never say. It’s nastier than you know the locker room talk of men.
Inkfetish: If you get girls together they will talk together about sex, graphically.
Toshio: But you know we (men) share our sexual bloopers or fiascos as fun. You know? How you really fucked up with a particular lady or something like that you know. Premature ejaculation because you just didn’t make it or something like that you know and we are laughing each other but yknow their talk is a little bit serious.
Toshio: But you know in Britain you have a little different attitude toward sex am I right?
David Sausage: NO SEX PLEASE WERE BRITISH! A lot of British people are like that. Not necessarily the younger people.
Toshio: But you are younger right? I don’t mean the teenager but now.
David Sausage: Yeah.
Toshio: So, you guys you don’t talk about sex when you were young? About how to make out or seduce or…
David Sausage: I think that’s all we talked about!
Toshio: So how come sex becomes the secret agenda?
David Sausage: I guess when you’re younger sitting with your mates, guys or even a group of girls you could talk about it.
Inkfetish: I think it’s different though. If you’re in a relationship with your girlfriend, I feel different talking about sex with my girlfriend then when I’m talking with my friends.
Toshio: Of course!
Inkfetish: But if I have a one night stand I tell everyone!
Toshio: Yeah yeah yeah have fun. But you don’t talk about general sex.
Inkfetish: How’d you mean general sex?
Toshio: Not sex between you and a particular person but just sex in general.
David Sausage: Not really.
Inkfetish: No. Not the graphic details.
Toshio: You know I think women are worrying about it. The details with their friends,, and men don’t.
David Sausage: Obviously I think the main difference and it’s been said a lot already, is that men get off on things visually right? It’s a visual thing.
Inkfetish: With women it’s more situational.
David Sausage: With women it’s more, getting into a mental state.
Toshio: Hmm yeah. But when you are young you need that right? It’s a hormone…
You know always cartoonists are talking about sex a lot because sex is the big theme about our work, our manga. Right?
David Sausage: I remember seeing some of the drawings by the early Disney studio animators,,, not necessarily things that got made into animations but things they did for themselves an each other and they were really filthy and smutty, rather like yourself!
Inkfetish: When you draw something like Urotsukidoji did you think “I wanna draw something that might turn someone on?”
Toshio: No. Nothing.
Inkfetish: Was it something you found to be fantasy?
Toshio: Err.. Hmm.. You know I just choose some things…
Inkfetish: .. A combination of things?
Toshio: Yeah a combination of readers taste and things. It might be better for readers, but mostly I don’t care!
Toshio: But it’s not my taste,,, mostly means nothing.
Inkfetish: I thought Megumi in Urotsukidoji was very sexy. She was Amino’s sister with the green hair.
Inkfetish: Is that based on anybody?
Toshio: Errrr imaginary. Of course you know it’s a typical type of person you know, cocky, greedy, selfish girl that exists in Japan.
Inkfetish: And another interesting thing is there are scenes where Amino is watching Megumi have sex with a monster…
Toshio: Hmmm hnn
Inkfetish: …and you know, its like, that’s strange
David Sausage laughing
Inkfetish: Cos that’s like a brother watching his sister… Getting fucked. And that was strange because that’s another taboo.
David Sausage: I remember watching TV here and a group of Japanese comedians telling funny stories and one guy was talking about when he was 12 or 13 and sneaking over to his sister’s bed and slowly lifting up the blanket so he could get a cop of her breasts…
Toshio laughing a lot
Toshio: You know, that kind of taboo, I wanted to depict that.
Inkfetish: Yeah but I think it’s healthy to do that to an extent.
David Sausage: So long as it doesn’t go too far yeah.
Inkfetish: It puts it out there and it’s liberating, to explore ideas like that…
Toshio: Hmmm yeah, it seems we are civilised – we are not. Basically we are animals. We like to rape if it is possible.
Goes very quiet
David Sausage: I can’t actually vouch for that Toshio.
Inkfetish: I think what he’s saying is, when you see a girl on the street there can be an instant reaction – I wanna fuck her.
Toshio: You can imagine her face is sucking your dick, sometime, men are just like that. If you are tied up with the law or a relationship or something like that, you know, if you really want to do what you can, you know what I mean, probably you just have a shag with a woman. You know with the knockout on the train, you know, not do on the train…
Toshio: …but somewhere else. But that’s our fantasy right?
David Sausage: Yeah
David Sausage: It’s very simple. But I imagine that’s the same for all men. I guess for women their fantasy is a bit more elaborated from what you’re saying.
Toshio: That’s what I want to depict in my manga you know? If you are human, or omnipresent or omnipotent… You are almighty god! You can do whatever you want and you know you will do that. It’s a theme.
Inkfetish: It’s like the movie hollow man have you seen that?
Inkfetish: It’s about a scientist who finds out how to become invisible and slowly slowly slowly he starts to become evil. Because he starts to think what can I do now?
Toshio: Title is Invisible man? Hollow man… Hollow man… Hollow man
Inkfetish: But he ends up raping women and it’s what you would do if suddenly there were no consequences and no one could catch you, what would you do? How far would you go?
David Sausage: Hmm it’s an interesting subject isn’t it? How far would you go? Well I guess we have society and family so we can’t really do these sort of things, society is not going to work but it’s interesting yes, if you are unrestrained… Where would you go?
Toshio: In the chaos as I mentioned before, people tend to show their own flag, their true colours,,, so like that you know… Until then you don’t know who you are.
Inkfetish: Yeah. It’s scary.
David Sausage: HEEEY!
David Sausage: Hello!
Toshio: It’s the boogey man inside of me!
Inkfetish: Yeah I think that’s really true. The horror film I told you about, Martyrs, is about that subject. The story is, it’s a horrible story but, they want to torture these women, to the point where they feel so much pain that they, er.. That they get sight into er… Another dimension, they can see beyond reality… It’s called er…
David Sausage: Into a hypnotic state?
Inkfetish: Yeah yeah yeah and they have a sort of out of body experience and … Not let them die si they can come out of that state and report back what they saw when they were in that state so they can … but maybe you should watch it? I know you don’t like horror films
Inkfetish: But it’s quite intellectual.
Toshio: Yeah that kind of horror might be ok but I don’t like to see you know, just the splatter films…. The intestines.. Just spread or something like that.. Aaaah it’s so scary believe me I don’t like to see horror movies.
David Sausage: I’m surprised to hear you say that!
Toshio: I can’t see that!
David Sausage: I’m trying to remember your work and… Isn’t that kind of thing in your work?
Toshio: You know a drawing is another story. That is a totally different. But I cannot see scary movies.
David Sausage: But how much do you think making something like a drawing or a piece of art, makes something happen after it? Makes people want to it or feel that emotion or whatever that’s trying to be depicted? Hmm what I’m getting at is…
Inkfetish: Do you ever worry that your…
Toshio: Ah the effect yeah yeah yeah like the Matrix err the man saw the Matrix and killed his parents because he believed himself, he was living in the Matrix world? Just like that right?
Uhh I think manga you know manga is just manga. You know now people are blaming the video games or the DVDs but before that the movies were always the target. Because in the films the guns and knives… well such people are seeking a flimsy excuse for what they are doing. ‘Of course I was impressed by this filthy manga’.
Inkfetish: These people who go crazy and do stuff, if it’s not er, if they didn’t watch Urotsukidoji and do it they would watch Die Hard and do it or something else. If they’re crazy theres always something there that’s going to make them do it.
Toshio: You know I hate the pedophile manga that’s why I’m making the sci-fi manga. You know it’s a completely made up story if it’s sci-fi.. The creature is raping the girls. No human is… How can I say this… I’m really against such manga with pedophile. The victims look like…
Inkfetish: What do you call it? Loli manga.
Toshio: Loli manga.. Five or six years old. I HATE that. That’s why my art style is American. You know sometimes the High School girl gets raped but they are mature. I believe they are mature enough to do that.
David Sausage: But it’s interesting where you draw the line at… You know, you can draw violent things and sexual things but you can’t draw children because the argument is it’s ok to draw violent and sexual things because people will do that anyway, because that’s how people are. But it’s the same kind of argument in a way, I’m not saying it’s acceptable, but it’s the same argument in a way.. The argument is flawed.
Inkfetish: …As fantasy material.
David Sausage: It just shouldn’t be there.
Toshio: But there is the line, as for myself.
Inkfetish: You know the love dolls? Realistic sex dolls… You can buy for really expensive money. They have dolls made to look like children.
David Sausage: I remember seeing that on Justin Lee Colins TV program “Turning Japanese”.
Inkfetish: But there was the argument on there that… It was a way for them not to do it in real life. That it was an outlet for their twisted fantasies or whatever. I don’t think you can blame the manga artists you have to look at society.
David Sausage: Yeah.
Inkfetish: Its just that manga is a reflection of the society rather than manga influencing audiences. Obviously you’ve got daughters so you’re going to have stronger views.
David Sausage: Well… we’ve all got mothers, sisters, daughters, wives.
Toshio pulls out some original artwork.
Inkfetish: Which one is this, La Blue Girl?
David Sausage: Culture Club?! Boy George!
Inkfetish: 80’s classic!
David Sausage: That’s beautiful.